This argument isn't _that_ compelling because: send today's tech back a century, use that as your aliens in case 'c'. They would 100% be able to see that tech. They wouldn't know what the hell they're looking at, or be able to do much about it, but they'd see it.
It depends where you send it / why. There's lots of places you can send it where there's just nobody to see it. We still occasionally find an uncontacted tribes out there after all, so if someone didn't want to be seen (or even just seen in a place full of cameras), it would be trivial.
I neither "believe" nor "disbelieve" in UFOs. Some of the stories and evidence seem credible, but the "U" stands for Unknown. No reason to jump to "aliens."
I don't like to form strong opinions about things I don't know much about. And if people are looking for something to worry about, this seems like it should be pretty far down on the list.
I agree with that, which is why its pretty interesting the whistle blowers who went before Congress used the term "non-human intelligence" pretty extensively.
In any case the point the article makes and the one I'm most interested in, is it looks like we've been lied to.
Putting probabilities to these things just seems so silly. Especially when the claims are not mutually exclusive.
UFOs being what they "appear to be" can mean a lot of things. UFOs are Unidentified Flying Objects. The USSR and the Iran would have had multiple, very real, UFO sightings thought their time, due to the US military.
There is a coherent explanation where neither the US military is deceiving anyone (to a large extent), nor UFO sighting being universally hoaxes.
People see flying things in the sky and interpret them as some sort of object which should not be there. Across all cases these happens for one of these reason:
- Characteristic behavior of a flying object is mistakenly interpreted as as uncharacteristic. Likely these are most cases
- The object is unidentified, but actually hostile and coming from another nation. The USSR during the cold war and China now have very significant aerospace capabilities. Hostile spying activities are interpreted as UFOs (which is what they are).
The US military is not deceiving anyone, because they themselves can not adequately distinguish these sightings from one another. Likely they could shed some light on some of these but are reluctant to do so.
Giving all of these a "10^-3 to 10^-4" probability of being actual aliens hatching some intergalactic plot to keep humans down just seems very silly.
I think Age of Disclosure is coming out. Might be interesting to watch if only to scratch your head about how many military and defense people are trying to convince people the opposite, that there are craft with extraordinary capabilities and they ARENT ours.
I made fun of UFO people the same as I did the religious and bigfoot believers, but after the video in the Times in 2017, and all the military people who have come forward with roughly the same story.. I would very much like to know whats behind it.
Its more about the architecture of the chimp brain defaulting to, manufacturing story as a hack, when it cant explain/predict or understand what it experiences.
As philosopher Charles Taylor work has shown, the big shared stories of the chimp troupe (religions/ideologies etc) cant keep up with the rate of change, so chimp brains start searchimg for and latching on to what ever is available around them. And since the buffet table of available stories has exploded there is a splintering or lack of commonality in all stories. Every story looks silly to someone cuz they have already latched on to some other story.
There are hard update limits to how frequently the brain can update a misguided story.
Here's my analysis:
If an alien intelligence has reached Earth, it has technical capabilities at least a century ahead of ours.
Either (a) they do want to be seen by us, or (b) they don't care if we see them, or (c) they do not want to be seen by us.
For case (a), we would have unambiguously seen them by now.
For case (b), we would have unambiguously seen them by now.
For case (c), with their advanced technology, we'd never see them.
So... I very much doubt that an alien intelligence is here.
This argument isn't _that_ compelling because: send today's tech back a century, use that as your aliens in case 'c'. They would 100% be able to see that tech. They wouldn't know what the hell they're looking at, or be able to do much about it, but they'd see it.
It depends where you send it / why. There's lots of places you can send it where there's just nobody to see it. We still occasionally find an uncontacted tribes out there after all, so if someone didn't want to be seen (or even just seen in a place full of cameras), it would be trivial.
I neither "believe" nor "disbelieve" in UFOs. Some of the stories and evidence seem credible, but the "U" stands for Unknown. No reason to jump to "aliens."
I don't like to form strong opinions about things I don't know much about. And if people are looking for something to worry about, this seems like it should be pretty far down on the list.
To be pedantic, the "U" in UFO stands for "unidentified"
"no reason to jump to aliens"
I agree with that, which is why its pretty interesting the whistle blowers who went before Congress used the term "non-human intelligence" pretty extensively.
In any case the point the article makes and the one I'm most interested in, is it looks like we've been lied to.
Putting probabilities to these things just seems so silly. Especially when the claims are not mutually exclusive.
UFOs being what they "appear to be" can mean a lot of things. UFOs are Unidentified Flying Objects. The USSR and the Iran would have had multiple, very real, UFO sightings thought their time, due to the US military.
There is a coherent explanation where neither the US military is deceiving anyone (to a large extent), nor UFO sighting being universally hoaxes. People see flying things in the sky and interpret them as some sort of object which should not be there. Across all cases these happens for one of these reason:
- Characteristic behavior of a flying object is mistakenly interpreted as as uncharacteristic. Likely these are most cases
- The object is genuinely novel and unidentified by the observer, but actually not hostile. E.g. you are seeing this thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-117_Nighthawk
- The object is unidentified, but actually hostile and coming from another nation. The USSR during the cold war and China now have very significant aerospace capabilities. Hostile spying activities are interpreted as UFOs (which is what they are).
The US military is not deceiving anyone, because they themselves can not adequately distinguish these sightings from one another. Likely they could shed some light on some of these but are reluctant to do so.
Giving all of these a "10^-3 to 10^-4" probability of being actual aliens hatching some intergalactic plot to keep humans down just seems very silly.
(no photographic evidence of aliens enclosed, brace for disappointment)
This reminds me of one of the recent “UFOs” that was debunked as a literal commercial plane, obscured by clouds or something along those lines.
Racing drones can keep up with F1 cars and UFO people still think that there’s a conspiracy going on.
Like, yeah, of course the military is trying to hide the capability of classified aircraft. That’s not interesting.
UFO believers are such losers, just like ghost hunters. It’s mean to say it like that, but that’s the truth.
I think Age of Disclosure is coming out. Might be interesting to watch if only to scratch your head about how many military and defense people are trying to convince people the opposite, that there are craft with extraordinary capabilities and they ARENT ours.
I made fun of UFO people the same as I did the religious and bigfoot believers, but after the video in the Times in 2017, and all the military people who have come forward with roughly the same story.. I would very much like to know whats behind it.
You can say the same things about all religions.
Its more about the architecture of the chimp brain defaulting to, manufacturing story as a hack, when it cant explain/predict or understand what it experiences.
As philosopher Charles Taylor work has shown, the big shared stories of the chimp troupe (religions/ideologies etc) cant keep up with the rate of change, so chimp brains start searchimg for and latching on to what ever is available around them. And since the buffet table of available stories has exploded there is a splintering or lack of commonality in all stories. Every story looks silly to someone cuz they have already latched on to some other story. There are hard update limits to how frequently the brain can update a misguided story.
Its just shit hardware architecture everyone has.