The author has obviously never tried Tauri on Linux. I've never seen one of their AppImages work correctly. Every project uses the upstream GitHub action to build binaries and it compiles dynamically linked binaries limited to the glibc from the Ubuntu 22 or 24 VM used. Xdg-open is often broken too from broken environment variables in the AppImages, so you can open a link in the default web browser. The entire build process needs reworked.
It is not surprising that a libc headed by the chief gnuissance would produce sn ecosystem where everything works better when apps are compiled from source for each distro.
AppImages are supposed to be able to handle all of that and I have used a number of them that do. In the case of Tauri though it seems nobody on the framework team knows Linux well enough to fix the build process to not constantly break as libraries update on the GitHub Ubuntu VMs or to make all the required dynamically linked libraries get included in the AppImage. And finally most of the downstream app developers have never written an app for Linux and chose the framework expecting it to solve the problems it clearly isn't.
Yeah, I switched to Linux and my single Tauri app was not cooperating.
They do have an effort to use Chromium Embedded Framework for rendering the webview, it's potentially much more stable in Linux. [1] It is nowhere near finished but you can run the cefsimple example, and it rendered me a window in Wayland.
CEF is also bundled in many distros, like Fedora 43, so if it can be linked with Linux distros version of CEF, then the binary stays smaller.
I've been a lifelong Linux user, and this makes me sad.
I don't know enough to comment about whether or not it's necessary, but any time I've tried to get anything working that wasn't updated recently, it was impossible.
Well impossible is a bit strong, the process ranges from:
- Find a forum post that links to some old .deb files and install them manually
- Install a newer version of a dependency and then recompile from source code, after spending an hour or two updating the program so it works with the new version of the dependency because the dependency changed its API for no reason (that one's not a Linux problem per se, but it wouldn't be necessary if the old one still worked!)
Better to download the Windows version and run it in WINE...
Sadly, every time that one guy posts his personal finance app on HN I try it and every time tauri gives me trouble to build, and when I fix whatever build errors it gives me it basically opens up a blank window and the app doesn't work (He now offers a Docker image which I can't help but feel is related to these difficulties).
I think the blank window bug was caused by a change in the libraries used by the webview on Ubuntu 22.04 used by suggested build action. Details and fixes were spread across bug reports in multiple downstream projects but afaik it was fixed in an Ubuntu update.
I really wanted to use tauri instead of electron, but the libwebkit it uses on linux is just too slow for modern CSS/html, from memory I managed to get single digit fps just scrolling the components page of daisy-ui. I am holding on for when they get a servo integration.
Yeah.. It's pretty damn hard to get working at all, and the systems it does seem to work on is quite limited as well. And also the developers of Tauri largely have seemed to have given up on Linux (which to some degree I understand, it represents a tiny amount of users for 99% of the problems due to the massive diversity in the ecosystem of Linux DE)
I fight with GitHub Actions on this all the time, and damn near think about running dedicated instances just to build from.
In my experience building Kanmail neither Tauri or Wails have this figured out. I had to combine elements of both projects custom linuxdeploy GTK plugin and I’m still not 100% sure it works everywhere. https://github.com/Oxygem/Kanmail/blob/19c5bfe78fe1b22147c01...
Recently I tried Electron app, it didn't work out of the box in Ubuntu 24.04 (AppImage). Turned out some issue with apparmor. It worked if extracted manually, though, but that's a bit of friction for ordinary users, also probably wouldn't work with updater.
En Croissant and Pawn Appetite use Tauri (chess interfaces), neither ever works, got so annoying I just setup docker to build them on fedora and copy the binary out via scratch stage, needed to install one library and now both work.
Tauri itself seems fine but the packaging in AppImage is exactly as you describe, or EFL just breaks.
Yup, came here to say this. After reading the article, it became abundantly clear that the author doesn’t support Linux and most of the article is just a summary of the common Tauri talking points that are out of date. To add data to this - Tauri is looking to allow embedding chromium as an option because the creator of Tauri acknowledged that it doesn’t work well on Linux. To the point where if Linux is a serious target, they don’t recommend Tauri: https://github.com/tauri-apps/wry/issues/1064#issuecomment-2...
The upstream projects aren’t in a place to support this yet so this feature didn’t make it into Tauri v2. I’ve been tracking this for a long time and hope that they will make it possible in v3.
Thanks for the link. That's great info to know but it's only part of the problem. If they think changing out the renderer will fix everything then they haven't learned anything.
Their build action creates seriously flawed AppImages for Linux for multiple reasons that have nothing to do with the renderer but with the AppImage creation process.
Using `zig-cc (clang)` to set a particular `LibC` version is one of the best decisions i have made, and saved me from those meaningless libC mismatch errors!
> As you’d expect, this makes Tauri apps far more lightweight.
Note that lightweight compared to Electron does not mean it's actually lightweight. In my experience, Tauri apps are still pretty heavy and a constant drain on system resources; maybe they're 2x better (faster/lighter) compared to an Electron equivalent, but they're still at least 10x worse compared to native apps.
With a Tauri-based app (just like with Electron), I have to constantly remember to close the app at the soonest possible point in time, or I can tangibly feel the sluggishness it creates in the system performance. So if there's a native choice and a Tauri-written choice, I'd heavily prefer the native choice nowadays, even at the cost of some features.
I'm curious what the impact on system resources is between a Tauri-based app versus the web app version opened in a browser window. If the features for both are the same, I imagine the resource utilization is also the same. The only exception might be that browsers such as Chrome will force inactive tabs to sleep.
Readwise Reader is one app I've compared both versions to, and I don't see much difference in resource usage for either version.
Last time I messed with Tauri my bin folder in my code/building directory ballooned to 10 gigs. If the final product is “lightweight” the development process surely is not.
There is no tradeoff. The bloat of Rust is caused by its NPM-style ecosystem where everything has 1000 dependencies, which is completely orthogonal to performance.
Cargo's cache is ridiculously massive (half of which is debug info: zero-cost abstractions have full-cost debug metadata), but you can delete it after building.
There's new-ish build.build-dir setting that lets you redirect Cargo's temp junk to a standard system temp/cache directory instead of polluting your dev dir.
> There's new-ish build.build-dir setting that lets you redirect Cargo's temp junk to a standard system temp/cache directory instead of polluting your dev dir.
If it’s just logs, I would prefer to redirect it to /dev/null.
Whoa, I had no idea about that. Tauri is way less fully baked than I realized.
The bug goes on to explain that Tauri apps can't have Windows "package identity", which means that there's a bunch of Windows APIs you simply can't use in Tauri, including the notifications API.
Without package identity, IMO, Tauri isn't ready for primetime on Windows.
Huh, I thought I'd seen notifications and app URI handlers in a Tauri app. Maybe they were using a custom Wix builder and not the Tauri template though.
Speaking of URI handlers, any idea what this bit in Microsoft's docs is supposed to mean?
> Starting with the Windows 10 Creators update and in all Windows 11 versions, supported links clicked in Microsoft Edge Legacy will launch the corresponding app. Supported links clicked in supported browsers (for example, Microsoft Edge Chromium, Firefox, Internet Explorer, etc.), will keep you in the browsing experience.
I can think of two ways to interpret it, neither of which seems good:
1) It doesn't work at all in any modern browser, and "supported" is the term Microsoft has chosen to describe this state of affairs?
2) Microsoft is sneakily installing a Firefox extension to subvert URL handling and embed UWP apps inside Firefox ("the browsing experience")?
- "Electron comes with a few rather significant drawbacks" Not going to mention them at all though?
- what possible reason could one have to use Next with Electron? Not everything needs to be in Next and there's no reason for SSR + Node.js API server (primary advantages of Next vs React) when the client and server are on the same machine. The author's solution is to wrap this with another dubious framework (Nextron looks abandoned and hasn't been updated for over 10 months btw) to force them to somehow work together. Like why?
- the idea behind Tauri to leverage the user's system's webview may sound like free real estate, but as many Cordova devs have previously found out, it's incredibly risky when you have no control of your own runtime. Desktop webviews are not a uniform layer. Ex. Webrtc is not supported on Linux webviews.
Yeah, it makes zero sense to use a SSR framework for an Electron app. Just use React, Vue, or Svelte directly. It's one of the few use cases where a SPA makes sense, since the bundle is being served locally.
TLDR; I'm keeping an eye on using LibWeb instead, which promises to be less bloated
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Honestly, we're solving the wrong problem by using something like Electron, webit, Tauri, etc. We're aiming for perfect feature parity with web browsers.
Instead, I want a good way to declare my UI in a subset of HTML, a subset of CSS and optionally a subset of Javascript. That's it, as far as web support goes. I don't need support for 1999 HTML/CSS, or special cases for animation in CSS, etc.
What I actually need for native applications is support for desktop/OS integration. Things like taskbar/panel icon control, notifications (not just toasts), access to the file system that doesn't use Javascript inside node.js, running tasks in the background independent of the GUI (after the GUI is closed, I expect the browser engine to end, freeing up all that RAM).
Striving to maintain feature parity with actual web-browsers eats up a lot of dev effort, so instead of targeting a sane subset of HTML, CSS (and optionally Javascript) it's simply easier to use an existing browser engine, which brings in the bloat and difficulty.
"Perfect is the enemy of good" has never been truer: I don't need everything that webkit, chrome, servo, etc provides when writing a native application, but "bloated" are the only options.[1]
Personally, I'm waiting for some free time, or a week off, to look into LibWeb (the SerenityOS engine, currently used by Ladybird browser). I think that creating a simple FFI around it is probably a better use of my time than doing the debug dance with Tauri and similar; at the end of the dance I'll still have a heavily bloated thing tied to an engine better suited for writing browsers than for writing apps.
It's not ready yet (it does layout HTML semi-properly, but it still needs some polishing and the desktop integration is currently not working, only the layout), I hope can get a release of it out before Christmas.
How about HTML, CSS, and Rust? (cutting out the JS engine removes a lot of the bloat)
I'm building a web engine specifically targeting application development use cases here: https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz. Binary sizes are in the 5-15mb range (depending on which features you enable).
Just use Qt. QML is not exactly like HTML, but in a lot of ways it's better. HTML is primarily a document format, QML gets closer to the semantics of an application, but in a declarative format. It's also much, much faster and simpler to deploy.
I installed Zed to read JSON logs that caused my browser and Pycharm (Jetbrains, Java-based) to lag hard. Sometimes I scroll down to the millionth line since the quickness makes me think I downloaded only a subset.
I tried using Tauri a few weeks back, and the build system is an absolute nightmare.
I gave up after a few hours. The last issue I encountered was it trying to link udev and libinput. libinput is a library for writing compositors, and their website literally state "libinput is not used directly by applications". I've no idea why Tauri was trying to link this (and some rough ideas of why it wasn't working due to the absence of udev on that host), but at this point, I didn't care any more.
I am building an open source desktop app in Tauri [1]. One of the issues I encountered was having to duplicate and sync types between the TypeScript frontend and Rust. On the other hand, Rust proved to be a great language with a sizeable ecosystem for building application backends.
Tauri's approach of using the system Webview just doesn't scale to millions of users. You will end up having to tell your customers, "In order to fix the bugs in our app, you need to install a new version of your OS", or in the case of Apple, sometimes even saying, "You need to buy a new computer to use our app". It's not a great conversation to have.
Philosophically, it also optimizes something that doesn't really matter much in 2025, download and disk space - despite the perceptions, the system Webview usually uses the same order of magnitude memory as Electron; maybe a little less, but not a Lot less. We can see the WhatsApp rewrite on Windows to use WebView2 as evidence of that.
The one time that Tauri is legitimately better though, is if you've got a lot of Rust code that you want to integrate - GitButler for example uses Tauri and it works for them because they have a lot of Git systems code and it's all in Rust.
We (GitButler) however keep running into packaging issues that make all but a very small handful of linux distros "usable". There are also numerous papercuts that we keep getting due to Tauri being comparably less mature.
We've been making steps towards moving away from Tauri. We now already have the capability to run our rust backend as a web-server and use the frontend in a regular browser. One of the next steps is to package the frontend into an electron app, and run the web-server as a sidecar process.
While there may be size downsides to packaging an entire browser - size isn't really a big issue compared to the program simply not working on a large user demographic.
I seem to be the only one with some degree of success with Tauri :)
After someone suggested here in HN I switched Microlandia[1] from deno-webview[2] to Tauri.
So far, it’s been a pretty good experience in Windows and macOS, of all the bug reports I received, zero are related to Tauri. Only one caveat: For Steam Linux, I had to package the game in electron after spending an entire weekend in library hell trying to get it to work in the Steamworks sniper SDK.
I've also had some degree of success with Tauri but not without pains. But to be fair most of the pains have come from the state of Linux DE (it's absolute hell if you ask me)
For the most part, things just work on MacOS (Windows I don't use much, but I don't get that many bug reports from Windows, so it must work alright. I would guess I have 50k Windows users?).
I don't have any experience with Electron, but in many ways I assume it probably is much more robust of an experience than Tauri. A lot of stuff has felt shaky to me, yet it does work. It's just not always a confidence inspiring experience. But again, maybe this is just the state of cross platform experiences generally? I don't know because I don't have enough experience to say
My current project uses Wails and a previous one used Tauri. I like Tauri a bit more but not enough to justify porting Go code to Rust. The primary difference I run into is how the JS <-> native interface is exposed, but this is very minor.
Tauri is much slower to build, I think this is just the nature of Rust though. Stats here. [1]
What is the implementation difference between using the system WebView (fragmented, especially bad under linux) and using one shared tauri-base runtime that only gets breaking changes updates every 2 years or so so there aren't twenty different ones running at the same time and it ends up like electron?
Would bundling one extended support release of chromium or firefox's backends that are then shared between all tauri apps not suffice?
As the author mentions, the problem right now is that electron is just too mature. It has solved most of the issues that non-desktop developers encounter when building a desktop app like a smooth(ish) build process, different kinds of build targets, working linux, etc.
> Tauri doesn’t seem to be able to create Mac universal binaries from their arm64 and x64 subcomponents.
I think this problem will be “solved” on its own. According to the October Steam hardware survey, about 15% of macs are still on Intel, with the number dropping each month. In a year it’ll be less than 10%. The software side isn’t looking good either - Intel Macs have received their last OS update this year. In 2028 Apple will classify Intel Macs as “vintage”, ending most service and parts support.
I’m not making a judgement here on Apple’s decisions. But Tauri is unlikely to spend their time optimising for a small fraction (Intel) of a small fraction (mac users), which is also reducing over time. Their time is probably better spent getting Windows support up to scratch because Windows isn’t going anywhere.
Another alternate to Tauri is Wails if one prefers Go to Rust. I’m currently using Wails for something and it’s working out well so far.
There are some pro/cons but Wails and Tauri seems to be similar in principal. Tauri can also target mobile platforms it seems which Wails can’t is one big difference.
Of course a lot of apps will not be able to live with the restrictions, but if you can write your app as a webapp (PWA), you should do that instead of using Electron or Tauri. I do it because I find either build system atrocious, and with webapps I can just use esbuild. Using Chrome for example, people can install webapps as desktop apps on any operating system, if they like, and the footprint is minimal.
simply due to the fact that less rust code exists than JS / TS or go, these languages are just less popular (and frankly, require less code written with the easy of abstraction they have
If they didn’t have the nodejs dependency then the Tauri bundle could be as small as 20mb.
Another pro not mentioned is that native integrations (i.e. obj-c on macos) are much easier to do since rust has great ffi integration with other native libraries.
The biggest pro to electron is that it has extensive plugins that are often widely used in production by large companies. But Tauri is definitely winning and any new project should use Tauri no matter what essentially.
The author has obviously never tried Tauri on Linux. I've never seen one of their AppImages work correctly. Every project uses the upstream GitHub action to build binaries and it compiles dynamically linked binaries limited to the glibc from the Ubuntu 22 or 24 VM used. Xdg-open is often broken too from broken environment variables in the AppImages, so you can open a link in the default web browser. The entire build process needs reworked.
It's like they always say: Win32 is the only stable ABI on Linux.
Which is wild when you consider the efforts the kernel goes to to avoid breaking userspace. Sometimes stifling innovation in UX.
GNU libc has a lot to answer for here honestly.
It is not surprising that a libc headed by the chief gnuissance would produce sn ecosystem where everything works better when apps are compiled from source for each distro.
> Sometimes stifling innovation in UX.
How does the Linux kernel maintaining backward compatibility stiffle UX innovation?
You’re probably thinking of UX as being user interfaces and desktop environments.
But sometimes a user is an api consumer.
There’s plenty of horrible kernel functions with footguns in Linux, but they won’t be improved due to “never break userspace”
theres lots if examples if you need specifics. readdir, epoll, futumesat (and ufutumesat), etc.
Well, it certainly isn't a stable ABI on Windows.
The idea of AppImages is neat, but the implementation is awful and rarely works (except perhaps on Ubuntu and Fedora and extremely similar scenarios).
The main issue being that they're dynamically linked binaries, which is exactly what you want to avoid for their use case.
Using packages from your favourite distribution is usually your best bet.
AppImages are supposed to be able to handle all of that and I have used a number of them that do. In the case of Tauri though it seems nobody on the framework team knows Linux well enough to fix the build process to not constantly break as libraries update on the GitHub Ubuntu VMs or to make all the required dynamically linked libraries get included in the AppImage. And finally most of the downstream app developers have never written an app for Linux and chose the framework expecting it to solve the problems it clearly isn't.
The idea is awful as well if you spend one second thinking about dependency sharing.
Yeah, I switched to Linux and my single Tauri app was not cooperating.
They do have an effort to use Chromium Embedded Framework for rendering the webview, it's potentially much more stable in Linux. [1] It is nowhere near finished but you can run the cefsimple example, and it rendered me a window in Wayland.
CEF is also bundled in many distros, like Fedora 43, so if it can be linked with Linux distros version of CEF, then the binary stays smaller.
[1]: https://github.com/tauri-apps/cef-rs/tree/dev/examples
I've been a lifelong Linux user, and this makes me sad.
I don't know enough to comment about whether or not it's necessary, but any time I've tried to get anything working that wasn't updated recently, it was impossible.
Well impossible is a bit strong, the process ranges from:
- Find a forum post that links to some old .deb files and install them manually
- Install a newer version of a dependency and then recompile from source code, after spending an hour or two updating the program so it works with the new version of the dependency because the dependency changed its API for no reason (that one's not a Linux problem per se, but it wouldn't be necessary if the old one still worked!)
Better to download the Windows version and run it in WINE...
Sadly, every time that one guy posts his personal finance app on HN I try it and every time tauri gives me trouble to build, and when I fix whatever build errors it gives me it basically opens up a blank window and the app doesn't work (He now offers a Docker image which I can't help but feel is related to these difficulties).
I think the blank window bug was caused by a change in the libraries used by the webview on Ubuntu 22.04 used by suggested build action. Details and fixes were spread across bug reports in multiple downstream projects but afaik it was fixed in an Ubuntu update.
I really wanted to use tauri instead of electron, but the libwebkit it uses on linux is just too slow for modern CSS/html, from memory I managed to get single digit fps just scrolling the components page of daisy-ui. I am holding on for when they get a servo integration.
Yeah.. It's pretty damn hard to get working at all, and the systems it does seem to work on is quite limited as well. And also the developers of Tauri largely have seemed to have given up on Linux (which to some degree I understand, it represents a tiny amount of users for 99% of the problems due to the massive diversity in the ecosystem of Linux DE)
I fight with GitHub Actions on this all the time, and damn near think about running dedicated instances just to build from.
In my experience building Kanmail neither Tauri or Wails have this figured out. I had to combine elements of both projects custom linuxdeploy GTK plugin and I’m still not 100% sure it works everywhere. https://github.com/Oxygem/Kanmail/blob/19c5bfe78fe1b22147c01...
Recently I tried Electron app, it didn't work out of the box in Ubuntu 24.04 (AppImage). Turned out some issue with apparmor. It worked if extracted manually, though, but that's a bit of friction for ordinary users, also probably wouldn't work with updater.
I think that's the issue: https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/41066
Not even sure who to blame in this situation.
En Croissant and Pawn Appetite use Tauri (chess interfaces), neither ever works, got so annoying I just setup docker to build them on fedora and copy the binary out via scratch stage, needed to install one library and now both work.
Tauri itself seems fine but the packaging in AppImage is exactly as you describe, or EFL just breaks.
Tauri finding and loading WebView is not the only game in town. There's wails too for golang.
I don't understand the obsession with trimming the disk size at the expense of stability.
The WebView these libraries find isn't the one your JS bundle is hoping for and an upgrade of the WebView isn't an option then what?
It's not only the disk size, it's also RAM.
Yup, came here to say this. After reading the article, it became abundantly clear that the author doesn’t support Linux and most of the article is just a summary of the common Tauri talking points that are out of date. To add data to this - Tauri is looking to allow embedding chromium as an option because the creator of Tauri acknowledged that it doesn’t work well on Linux. To the point where if Linux is a serious target, they don’t recommend Tauri: https://github.com/tauri-apps/wry/issues/1064#issuecomment-2...
The upstream projects aren’t in a place to support this yet so this feature didn’t make it into Tauri v2. I’ve been tracking this for a long time and hope that they will make it possible in v3.
Thanks for the link. That's great info to know but it's only part of the problem. If they think changing out the renderer will fix everything then they haven't learned anything.
Their build action creates seriously flawed AppImages for Linux for multiple reasons that have nothing to do with the renderer but with the AppImage creation process.
I've ditched the AppImage build in my tauri apps for .deb. They work fine on other distros as long as you install libwebkitgtk
Using `zig-cc (clang)` to set a particular `LibC` version is one of the best decisions i have made, and saved me from those meaningless libC mismatch errors!
It's insane that Zig was needed to achieve this, instead of a preprocessor definition like "#define GLIBC_MIN_COMPATIBLE_VERSION GLIBC_2_40".
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> As you’d expect, this makes Tauri apps far more lightweight.
Note that lightweight compared to Electron does not mean it's actually lightweight. In my experience, Tauri apps are still pretty heavy and a constant drain on system resources; maybe they're 2x better (faster/lighter) compared to an Electron equivalent, but they're still at least 10x worse compared to native apps.
With a Tauri-based app (just like with Electron), I have to constantly remember to close the app at the soonest possible point in time, or I can tangibly feel the sluggishness it creates in the system performance. So if there's a native choice and a Tauri-written choice, I'd heavily prefer the native choice nowadays, even at the cost of some features.
I'm curious what the impact on system resources is between a Tauri-based app versus the web app version opened in a browser window. If the features for both are the same, I imagine the resource utilization is also the same. The only exception might be that browsers such as Chrome will force inactive tabs to sleep.
Readwise Reader is one app I've compared both versions to, and I don't see much difference in resource usage for either version.
Last time I messed with Tauri my bin folder in my code/building directory ballooned to 10 gigs. If the final product is “lightweight” the development process surely is not.
That’s just Rust in general. But what you lose in disk space you gain considerably in optimized executables. The tradeoff is well worth it.
There is no tradeoff. The bloat of Rust is caused by its NPM-style ecosystem where everything has 1000 dependencies, which is completely orthogonal to performance.
Cargo's cache is ridiculously massive (half of which is debug info: zero-cost abstractions have full-cost debug metadata), but you can delete it after building.
There's new-ish build.build-dir setting that lets you redirect Cargo's temp junk to a standard system temp/cache directory instead of polluting your dev dir.
> There's new-ish build.build-dir setting that lets you redirect Cargo's temp junk to a standard system temp/cache directory instead of polluting your dev dir.
If it’s just logs, I would prefer to redirect it to /dev/null.
Hm, that shouldn't happen. It does use RAM for the web view, but an idle Tauri app won't use CPU any more than any other idle app or web browser tab.
> Lack of support for .appx and .msix bundles on Windows
https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/4818
Whoa, I had no idea about that. Tauri is way less fully baked than I realized.
The bug goes on to explain that Tauri apps can't have Windows "package identity", which means that there's a bunch of Windows APIs you simply can't use in Tauri, including the notifications API.
Without package identity, IMO, Tauri isn't ready for primetime on Windows.
Huh, I thought I'd seen notifications and app URI handlers in a Tauri app. Maybe they were using a custom Wix builder and not the Tauri template though.
Yes it should be doable manually, not like this is a complex feature.
Speaking of URI handlers, any idea what this bit in Microsoft's docs is supposed to mean?
> Starting with the Windows 10 Creators update and in all Windows 11 versions, supported links clicked in Microsoft Edge Legacy will launch the corresponding app. Supported links clicked in supported browsers (for example, Microsoft Edge Chromium, Firefox, Internet Explorer, etc.), will keep you in the browsing experience.
I can think of two ways to interpret it, neither of which seems good:
1) It doesn't work at all in any modern browser, and "supported" is the term Microsoft has chosen to describe this state of affairs?
2) Microsoft is sneakily installing a Firefox extension to subvert URL handling and embed UWP apps inside Firefox ("the browsing experience")?
[1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/develop/launc...
- "Electron comes with a few rather significant drawbacks" Not going to mention them at all though? - what possible reason could one have to use Next with Electron? Not everything needs to be in Next and there's no reason for SSR + Node.js API server (primary advantages of Next vs React) when the client and server are on the same machine. The author's solution is to wrap this with another dubious framework (Nextron looks abandoned and hasn't been updated for over 10 months btw) to force them to somehow work together. Like why? - the idea behind Tauri to leverage the user's system's webview may sound like free real estate, but as many Cordova devs have previously found out, it's incredibly risky when you have no control of your own runtime. Desktop webviews are not a uniform layer. Ex. Webrtc is not supported on Linux webviews.
Yeah, it makes zero sense to use a SSR framework for an Electron app. Just use React, Vue, or Svelte directly. It's one of the few use cases where a SPA makes sense, since the bundle is being served locally.
They do mention bloat and memory usage
My personal favorite to keep an eye on is https://www.gpui.rs/.
It's what Zed(.dev) is based on. While not quite ready for prime time from what I understand, if Zed is the reference implementation, I'm sold!
This was recently on HN and I think it adds so much value to GPUI: https://github.com/longbridge/gpui-component/
TLDR; I'm keeping an eye on using LibWeb instead, which promises to be less bloated
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Honestly, we're solving the wrong problem by using something like Electron, webit, Tauri, etc. We're aiming for perfect feature parity with web browsers.
Instead, I want a good way to declare my UI in a subset of HTML, a subset of CSS and optionally a subset of Javascript. That's it, as far as web support goes. I don't need support for 1999 HTML/CSS, or special cases for animation in CSS, etc.
What I actually need for native applications is support for desktop/OS integration. Things like taskbar/panel icon control, notifications (not just toasts), access to the file system that doesn't use Javascript inside node.js, running tasks in the background independent of the GUI (after the GUI is closed, I expect the browser engine to end, freeing up all that RAM).
Striving to maintain feature parity with actual web-browsers eats up a lot of dev effort, so instead of targeting a sane subset of HTML, CSS (and optionally Javascript) it's simply easier to use an existing browser engine, which brings in the bloat and difficulty.
"Perfect is the enemy of good" has never been truer: I don't need everything that webkit, chrome, servo, etc provides when writing a native application, but "bloated" are the only options.[1]
Personally, I'm waiting for some free time, or a week off, to look into LibWeb (the SerenityOS engine, currently used by Ladybird browser). I think that creating a simple FFI around it is probably a better use of my time than doing the debug dance with Tauri and similar; at the end of the dance I'll still have a heavily bloated thing tied to an engine better suited for writing browsers than for writing apps.
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[1] Not sure where Sciter lands on this.
You are looking for https://azul.rs - which I wrote to finally fix this whole "Electron" situation: https://azul.rs/reftest
It's not ready yet (it does layout HTML semi-properly, but it still needs some polishing and the desktop integration is currently not working, only the layout), I hope can get a release of it out before Christmas.
How about HTML, CSS, and Rust? (cutting out the JS engine removes a lot of the bloat)
I'm building a web engine specifically targeting application development use cases here: https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz. Binary sizes are in the 5-15mb range (depending on which features you enable).
Just use Qt. QML is not exactly like HTML, but in a lot of ways it's better. HTML is primarily a document format, QML gets closer to the semantics of an application, but in a declarative format. It's also much, much faster and simpler to deploy.
Or Flutter for that matter, which is actually also incredibly nice to work with.
I installed Zed to read JSON logs that caused my browser and Pycharm (Jetbrains, Java-based) to lag hard. Sometimes I scroll down to the millionth line since the quickness makes me think I downloaded only a subset.
I tried using Tauri a few weeks back, and the build system is an absolute nightmare.
I gave up after a few hours. The last issue I encountered was it trying to link udev and libinput. libinput is a library for writing compositors, and their website literally state "libinput is not used directly by applications". I've no idea why Tauri was trying to link this (and some rough ideas of why it wasn't working due to the absence of udev on that host), but at this point, I didn't care any more.
I am building an open source desktop app in Tauri [1]. One of the issues I encountered was having to duplicate and sync types between the TypeScript frontend and Rust. On the other hand, Rust proved to be a great language with a sizeable ecosystem for building application backends.
[1]: https://github.com/haideralsh/prompt-lab
fwiw, I think the most comprehensive cross-typing work done here has been specta:
https://github.com/specta-rs/tauri-specta
yes, it works, I would recommend it even if it's a bit awkward at times
I settled on graphql, that generates my types for both Rust and TypeScript.
Tauri's approach of using the system Webview just doesn't scale to millions of users. You will end up having to tell your customers, "In order to fix the bugs in our app, you need to install a new version of your OS", or in the case of Apple, sometimes even saying, "You need to buy a new computer to use our app". It's not a great conversation to have.
Philosophically, it also optimizes something that doesn't really matter much in 2025, download and disk space - despite the perceptions, the system Webview usually uses the same order of magnitude memory as Electron; maybe a little less, but not a Lot less. We can see the WhatsApp rewrite on Windows to use WebView2 as evidence of that.
The one time that Tauri is legitimately better though, is if you've got a lot of Rust code that you want to integrate - GitButler for example uses Tauri and it works for them because they have a lot of Git systems code and it's all in Rust.
We (GitButler) however keep running into packaging issues that make all but a very small handful of linux distros "usable". There are also numerous papercuts that we keep getting due to Tauri being comparably less mature.
We've been making steps towards moving away from Tauri. We now already have the capability to run our rust backend as a web-server and use the frontend in a regular browser. One of the next steps is to package the frontend into an electron app, and run the web-server as a sidecar process.
While there may be size downsides to packaging an entire browser - size isn't really a big issue compared to the program simply not working on a large user demographic.
I seem to be the only one with some degree of success with Tauri :)
After someone suggested here in HN I switched Microlandia[1] from deno-webview[2] to Tauri.
So far, it’s been a pretty good experience in Windows and macOS, of all the bug reports I received, zero are related to Tauri. Only one caveat: For Steam Linux, I had to package the game in electron after spending an entire weekend in library hell trying to get it to work in the Steamworks sniper SDK.
1. https://explodi.itch.io/microlandia
2. https://github.com/webview/webview_deno
I've also had some degree of success with Tauri but not without pains. But to be fair most of the pains have come from the state of Linux DE (it's absolute hell if you ask me)
For the most part, things just work on MacOS (Windows I don't use much, but I don't get that many bug reports from Windows, so it must work alright. I would guess I have 50k Windows users?).
I don't have any experience with Electron, but in many ways I assume it probably is much more robust of an experience than Tauri. A lot of stuff has felt shaky to me, yet it does work. It's just not always a confidence inspiring experience. But again, maybe this is just the state of cross platform experiences generally? I don't know because I don't have enough experience to say
Source, I'm the author of: http://github.com/cjpais/Handy
How does Wails compare here? I'm guessing it's less mature than Tauri.
My current project uses Wails and a previous one used Tauri. I like Tauri a bit more but not enough to justify porting Go code to Rust. The primary difference I run into is how the JS <-> native interface is exposed, but this is very minor.
Tauri is much slower to build, I think this is just the nature of Rust though. Stats here. [1]
1. https://github.com/Elanis/web-to-desktop-framework-compariso...
As right now I try using Tauri 2 (work very much in progress, https://github.com/stared/rusted-doom-launcher), most AI suck at it, not getting basics about permissions. One thing that was a game-changer was using https://github.com/P3GLEG/tauri-plugin-mcp. Without that, Claude Code just tries things blindly and they work or not.
"Compatibility issues across system webviews are exceedingly rare, especially for the major operating systems."
When it comes to CSS, there will be the same vendor issues that you have on websites. It's not a magic bullet.
What is the implementation difference between using the system WebView (fragmented, especially bad under linux) and using one shared tauri-base runtime that only gets breaking changes updates every 2 years or so so there aren't twenty different ones running at the same time and it ends up like electron?
Would bundling one extended support release of chromium or firefox's backends that are then shared between all tauri apps not suffice?
What about neither?
If it must be Web, run the application headless and launch the system browser.
But really if 50 year olds can jungle between native and Web, so do you.
Would it be possible to have electron as an OS package (so, updated) and Tauri use such package on Linux?
What are the technical limitations for this? I honestly know very little about webviews on linux.
As the author mentions, the problem right now is that electron is just too mature. It has solved most of the issues that non-desktop developers encounter when building a desktop app like a smooth(ish) build process, different kinds of build targets, working linux, etc.
> Tauri doesn’t seem to be able to create Mac universal binaries from their arm64 and x64 subcomponents.
I think this problem will be “solved” on its own. According to the October Steam hardware survey, about 15% of macs are still on Intel, with the number dropping each month. In a year it’ll be less than 10%. The software side isn’t looking good either - Intel Macs have received their last OS update this year. In 2028 Apple will classify Intel Macs as “vintage”, ending most service and parts support.
I’m not making a judgement here on Apple’s decisions. But Tauri is unlikely to spend their time optimising for a small fraction (Intel) of a small fraction (mac users), which is also reducing over time. Their time is probably better spent getting Windows support up to scratch because Windows isn’t going anywhere.
Would love to see these in comparison to desktop flutter.
Another alternate to Tauri is Wails if one prefers Go to Rust. I’m currently using Wails for something and it’s working out well so far.
There are some pro/cons but Wails and Tauri seems to be similar in principal. Tauri can also target mobile platforms it seems which Wails can’t is one big difference.
Of course a lot of apps will not be able to live with the restrictions, but if you can write your app as a webapp (PWA), you should do that instead of using Electron or Tauri. I do it because I find either build system atrocious, and with webapps I can just use esbuild. Using Chrome for example, people can install webapps as desktop apps on any operating system, if they like, and the footprint is minimal.
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i had a better time vibe coding with gpt 4 with WAILS> vs any of these Electron> Tauri
Go is likely much easier to work with here than the other platforms imo
simply due to the fact that less rust code exists than JS / TS or go, these languages are just less popular (and frankly, require less code written with the easy of abstraction they have
If they didn’t have the nodejs dependency then the Tauri bundle could be as small as 20mb.
Another pro not mentioned is that native integrations (i.e. obj-c on macos) are much easier to do since rust has great ffi integration with other native libraries.
The biggest pro to electron is that it has extensive plugins that are often widely used in production by large companies. But Tauri is definitely winning and any new project should use Tauri no matter what essentially.